Flying Dragon require dormancy?
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Cmd5235
Chumono
Hey! I'm over in SE PA- I've had them for about a decade. I leave mine out every year with no protection- they've been doing fine and thriving. Do they need dormancy? Not sure- I've never kept mine inside to see. But they're hardy outdoors
Crazy Diamond
Omono
Poncirus are deciduous and cold hardy citrus, treat them as any other temperate climate deciduous
penumbra
Imperial Masterpiece
It needs to be outside for the long term. You can probably get by keeping a seedling inside for the first season but beyond that (and otherwise) you are risking the health of the plant. It is a deciduous zone 6 hardy plant, related to citrus but not a true citrus.
Incidentally, if yours are grown from seed, they are Poncirus trifoliata and not the cultivar Flying Dragon. I realize many people think that all Poncirus are Flying Dragon but they are not. Flying Dragon is a dwarfish form that generally has more contortion. Tiny Dragon and Baby Dragon, (probably the same plant,) is much more compact and contorted and not quite as hardy. The straight species is very hardy and gets at least 8 feet tall. I don't know if that concurs with the books, but I had a client years ago that had one that was several decades old and it was over 8 feet tall.
It is super easy to propagate from air layers and 2 years ago my layer had a healthy set of roots in 3 weeks. I got rid of the plant because it was just too unruly.
Incidentally, if yours are grown from seed, they are Poncirus trifoliata and not the cultivar Flying Dragon. I realize many people think that all Poncirus are Flying Dragon but they are not. Flying Dragon is a dwarfish form that generally has more contortion. Tiny Dragon and Baby Dragon, (probably the same plant,) is much more compact and contorted and not quite as hardy. The straight species is very hardy and gets at least 8 feet tall. I don't know if that concurs with the books, but I had a client years ago that had one that was several decades old and it was over 8 feet tall.
It is super easy to propagate from air layers and 2 years ago my layer had a healthy set of roots in 3 weeks. I got rid of the plant because it was just too unruly.
Shibui
Imperial Masterpiece
Poncirus can grow over 10 feet tall given reasonable conditions.
It is only deciduous in cold climates. Down here growth slows but they don't usually drop leaves. In warmer areas Poncirus will grow all year round so, in answer to the original question, they don't actually need a dormant period.
It is possible to keep Citrus and Poncirus indoors but you'll need really good conditions. Outdoors is much easier for most of us.
It is only deciduous in cold climates. Down here growth slows but they don't usually drop leaves. In warmer areas Poncirus will grow all year round so, in answer to the original question, they don't actually need a dormant period.
It is possible to keep Citrus and Poncirus indoors but you'll need really good conditions. Outdoors is much easier for most of us.
power270lb
Shohin
Whenever I make cuts for multiple branches to spawn, it just grows one and continues on doing what it wants lol. So 100% outdoors? Any experience with adeniums/desert rose!
power270lb
Shohin
Just got a kingbright 2k and have plenty of lights and space along with humidifiers so I have the room if need be. Seems to be conflicting reports, some say they need dormancy and you plus a few others say no. Any experience with adeniums/desert rose?
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Shibui
Imperial Masterpiece
Never grown adenium here
power270lb
Shohin
Your opinion should I let go dormant or bring in?
penumbra
Imperial Masterpiece
Adenium is a tropical plant and needs to winter inside. It is very poisonous to pets. In sub Saharan Africa it was used to kill dogs.
power270lb
Shohin
Yeah I know all that and they've been inside also nowhere near my dogs. Wasn't sure if anyone grew them.
penumbra
Imperial Masterpiece
Then I guess I don't understand you question. There are thousands among thousands out there in the hands of succulent collectors.
lehigh4me
Yamadori
I have several of them I have been growing for 5 yrs. If you have any questions I can try to answer them.
power270lb
Shohin
My apologies, thread initially was about flying dragons and whether or not they need dormancy then asked if you knew anything about adeniums. Meant to ask your opinion should I leave outside or bring in regarding the flying dragons since I'm in the NYC area and u said "it's only deciduous in cold areas." Was confused so my bad. Do they absolutely have to go dormant (flying dragons I mean)
power270lb
Shohin
I'm root training a batch of 4 month old seedlings that got root rot (roughly 75+, heartbreaking). I just want huge fat caudexs and hear conflicting stuff. A guy who has 300+ goes months in the winter without watering. Mine are under some pretty heavy duty growlights and in a great course mix but seem to respond to regular watering. Another guy on YouTube Sony Le has insane adeniums and he says he repots and lifts his every few months and they're huge. Another guy on bonsai supplies YouTube channel chops his roots at the base of the caudex then hangs for a few weeks. He then starves the plant of water sending it into survival mode and he says the plant will grow it's caudex 4-8x the size to compensate hypothetically in the future if it doesn't get water again. My main adult adenium, it's the only one that seems to struggle under growlights. The leaves always crisp up while every other one I have thrives, can't figure it out. Have u ever root trained? One's with rot I chopped base of caudex then let dry. Placed on top of a bottle cap then replanted now just waiting.
penumbra
Imperial Masterpiece
I had thought so but perhaps not.
Shibui
Imperial Masterpiece
Flying dragon is a selection of Poncirus trifoliata. So closely related to citrus that they are used as root stock for grafting citrus, especially for cooler areas. Flying dragon does not require dormant period. In many warmer areas they will grow all year round like their citrus cousins.
lehigh4me
Yamadori
I have pretty much tried all of the above at one time or another. I now pretty much just grow the Adeniums for the flowers. I do follow Sony Le's advice and repot a couple times a year and raise them up a little each time. I water less in the winter just to give them a rest. I don't do the root training.
Crazy Diamond
Omono
Dogbane family living up to its name
power270lb
Shohin
There's another thread where a guy was showing off his flying dragons. Trunk was super thick, best way to fatten up the trunk? Was thinking a bigger pot like a pond basket. Still relatively new so when it comes to thickening trunks I know about sacrificial branches but for the most part I just let grow. When I prune this, it doesn't split it just regrows, any suggestions?
