Flowering Quince Chaenomeles Scarffs Red

Maiden69 · Apr 8, 2021

Hi, I recently ordered a 1 gal container and 3 - 3.5" containers to clump them all together (have a variety of different trunk line and sizes). This will be my first flowering quince and I would like some advice from members here that have them in hot locations. The information provided from the website (and most places I have done research) says that it will tolerate full sun. I just finished a bench that is placed next to my west side fence that provide some shade after 3:00 pm, but I am not sure if that would be good enough.

This is not a Chojubai variety. From what I find its a Chaenomeles Speciosa, which I think it means its the "large" size variant.

What is your experience with red flowering quinces? Do they take sun fine? I was reading on Brent's website about the varieties that don't do well on full sun, but didn't find anything on this variety.

Will I need a shade cloth, (or benefit from it) even if it could tolerate full sun given that I am in central Texas?

Will the trunks fuse together? Or, should I even be concerned by them fusing instead of just worrying about getting them tight together and getting them secure by means of the roots.

Any help will be appreciated, pics to come once the trees arrive.

Pitoon · Apr 8, 2021

In my experience with Toyo nishiki, Cameo, and Chojubai..........I treat mine like Japanese maples.......morning sun and afternoon shade. They can tolerate full sun, but seem to like the morning sun afternoon shade better. The flowering quince can stress easily and they drop their leaves usually at the end of the summer. They will also drop their leaves if the leaves are wet often so try to water the substrate while keeping the leaves dry. The trunks will fuse and they can tolerate heavy root pruning as well.

Here's one of my small Toyo nishiki's.........still waiting to see that infamous red flower.

badatusernames · Apr 8, 2021

Watching with interest. I was told to give my chojubai as much sun as possible but I think a few of its leaves got torched by a sunny spring afternoon direct sun hit or two. Maybe the same thing happening with my Chinese quince, I'm trying to decide if it's because of sun or because of the temperature, but the chojubai in particular hasn't been exposed to much below 50, so I'm leaning towards thinking it's the sun.

Maiden69 · Mar 30, 2022

I didn't get to repot this ones this year, but I gave them a hard prune 2 weeks ago when I noticed that all my j.quinces were infected with Aphids. Strangely, only my regular quinces got them, this one and 4 other I got from Brent this year. The chojubais I got from BVF didn't get them, and they were in the same location.

This pics were taken last week, after I removed around 3' long extensions from all of them. After reading more here and watching Ryan's explanation of fall work for deciduous trees, I think I will do that this year in fall so they can allocate resources and set new buds for next spring.

The first 3 from the left are the 3.5" container, and the last one is the 1 gal. They are almost identical in size now, the 1 gal is slightly thicker, and it was the last one to flower and bloom this year. I will see how much they thicken this year. I haven't removed suckers yet as I don't know if I can make a few of them single trunk trees, but the 3rd one will definitely become a clump. When I repot that one I think I will open the bottom half of the bag to repot into a container, and then slowly peel the top down allowing the roots to lignify and send shoots. Maybe it works, maybe not...

Colorado · Mar 30, 2022

Nice flowers!

Deep Sea Diver · Mar 30, 2022

Hope you struck the cuttings? They take pretty easy in my experience.

Thinking a repot for your quinces ought to be in fall anyways due to nematode etc issues in spring?

cheers
DSD sends

Maiden69 · Mar 30, 2022

I didn't do cuttings this time. I am running out of space as it is... I need to build more bench space.

As far as repotting, I just barerooted 2 chojubai cuttings and planted in small 1 gal Rootpouches inside terracotta pots. I have another one that I will do late summer. From what I have read AUG-SEP seems to be a good time according to Jonas and other folks here. This ones will probably get done around that time, I will probably prune them differently as well to see how they react and what frequency gives me the best results.

BrierPatch · Apr 4, 2022

Deep Sea Diver said:
Hope you struck the cuttings? They take pretty easy in my experience.

Thinking a repot for your quinces ought to be in fall anyways due to nematode etc issues in spring?

cheers
DSD sends

Is it best to prune and propagate the cuttings before they flower or after?

Maiden69 · Apr 5, 2022

The large one finally pushed leaves and it's first flower of the season.

Maiden69 · Apr 20, 2022

Can't wait to repot these ones into shallower and wider bags.

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19Mateo83 · Apr 20, 2022

Pretty sweet little quinces! I just got my first one today. I just couldent let it die on the markdown rack.

19Mateo83 · Apr 20, 2022

Maiden69 said:
Can't wait to repot these ones into shallower and wider bags.

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nice cypresses too! Especially this one

Maiden69 · Apr 21, 2022

19Mateo83 said:
I just couldent let it die on the markdown rack.

I wish I could find some locally... I think the closest nursery that carry some is in Austin.

19Mateo83 said:
nice cypresses too! Especially this one

Bald Cypress group progression

I have 4 BC seedlings that I bought in March. They are all planted in inorganic soil, they do have 1/3" akadama, but that was not enough to keep them growing so I submerged the pots in water. I lost 2 to a hail storm. The other 3 are pictured here in order of time. The last one is a 1 gal tree I...

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I haven't updated on that one because its untouched from last year. But the development from last year before I placed it into the water tub and grow bag till now is very good.

Maiden69 · Jan 11, 2023

Mostly leafless today and pushing flower buds after the cold spell during Christmas.

Maiden69 · Jan 29, 2023

Not much to update, I will probably move them into slightly bigger but shallower bags this coming weekend. Was going to do some today, but we are supposed to have some freezing rain according to an email from the county but the weather forecast doesn't have anything on their website right now.

Maiden69 · Sep 6, 2023

I have completely ignore this guys... other than removing spent flowers. They are straight shoots around 3-4' tall, asking for a hard prune. Today I was checking the beds and noticed that I must have missed two flowers a few weeks back and developed the first two fruits since I bought them.

Here is a pic I took of the new seedlings received, where you can clearly see the jungle of straight shoots of some of the quinces. They all will need to be rebagged next spring, and I may have one candidate to go into a pot. More to follow...

Clicio · Sep 6, 2023

Mine are in a clump - yes, the roots fuse together - but they don't like full Brazilian sun all day long.
So by late Spring they get shaded in the afternoon, until late Fall.
It works for me.

Maiden69 · Sep 6, 2023

Clicio said:
but they don't like full Brazilian sun all day long.
So by late Spring they get shaded in the afternoon, until late Fall.

This is something that I noticed this year, last year they were "ok", but this year I had a lot of curled leaves and bare trunks as soon as the temps got to 100. They are now under the 50% shade and will stay there until the temps cool down. By then, the shade of the house will be over them so I will be removing the shade cloth.

That is what I plan on doing with them, cutting them very short when I place them in a pot, probably leaving the top of the nebari slightly exposed to get more suckers to grow to have different hierarchy in the trunk sizes.

Maiden69 · Sep 9, 2023

I was able to take a few pics before the sun started beating on them and made the colors of the pictures wash out. I'm going to cut some down in autum vs the spring cut back I did last year and see what reaction I get. Some sites I have found say to cut in spring after flowers, but more often the y recommend pruning in autum and late winter before spring.

The first 3 bags in the center are the "smallest" of the 4 I currently have.

This one is the larger one, as far as shoots coming out of it.

Maiden69 · Jan 6, 2024

I did not prune then at all this year, the shoots extend near 4 feet long on almost all of them. Right now they are full of flower buds, don't know how many will actually flower as they did received a decent amount of roots chopping when pulling them out of the grow beds.

Scarffs red in front of one of my chojubai in development.