Deciding style on my brazilian raintree

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I acquired this very large Brazilian raintree last yr. It has been repotted and it is very happy right now. I haven’t touched the top at all since I’ve had it. It was in rough shape. I’m thinking Pierneef style. To my eyes the structure is already set up for it. What do yall think? I’ll take some better photos with a solid background. I attached several photos from today and a couple taken over the last month or so. Thanks, Trent.
 

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Oh wow! I'm new to all of this, so maybe this is a bonsai faux pas, but I love the way the trunk splits and then crosses itself again. Is that frowned upon? I can't offer much in the way of styling advice at the stage I'm at, but congrats on a VERY cool tree!
 
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Oh wow! I'm new to all of this, so maybe this is a bonsai faux pas, but I love the way the trunk splits and then crosses itself again. Is that frowned upon? I can't offer much in the way of styling advice at the stage I'm at, but congrats on a VERY cool tree!
hats definitely not what you want in bonsai. Crossing branches are usually wired so it’s no longer crossing or pruned out of the design. This tree has a lot of crossing branches and lots of long leggy growth. The man we bought these trees from is or was very sick with cancer unfortunately. He sold off his collection. My good friend bought this tree and another just as big. The seller mentioned they had been left untouched for a couple years when we got them.. no winter protection at all, no pruning or watering.. just nature.. remarkably his entire collection survived all on its own.
 
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hats definitely not what you want in bonsai. Crossing branches are usually wired so it’s no longer crossing or pruned out of the design. This tree has a lot of crossing branches and lots of long leggy growth. The man we bought these trees from is or was very sick with cancer unfortunately. He sold off his collection. My good friend bought this tree and another just as big. The seller mentioned they had been left untouched for a couple years when we got them.. no winter protection at all, no pruning or watering.. just nature.. remarkably his entire collection survived all on its own.
Ha ha, that's what I figured. I'm sure you'll find something very cool to do with this tree! Good luck and I'll be following along so I can learn from watching your process.
 
FWIW I like the right "trunk" line more than the left but the way the smaller branches are heading I feel like I'm looking at the back of the tree.
Of coarse chopping the left "trunk" will leave a big scar for a while. Would be nice to see the other side of the tree, all the images seem like the same side.
BRTs will bud back on old wood when heavily pruned but I always leave at least one leaf node when cutting back on smaller trees and branches, I'm not sure about big trunks since I try to do it before they get too big.
 
I'd keep the left and air layer the right. Seems like the left would make a nice tree on its own. Rain trees are so cool!
 
FWIW I like the right "trunk" line more than the left but the way the smaller branches are heading I feel like I'm looking at the back of the tree.
Of coarse chopping the left "trunk" will leave a big scar for a while. Would be nice to see the other side of the tree, all the images seem like the same side.
BRTs will bud back on old wood when heavily pruned but I always leave at least one leaf node when cutting back on smaller trees and branches, I'm not sure about big trunks since I try to do it before they get too big.
Sorry for the delay.. here’s a bunch I just took. I’m seeing this tree as a pierneef style. I really don’t want to do any major chops to the tree. At least not at this time. You can tell how the tree was growing in one position without being rotated to provide equal lighting by the direction all the branches are growing. I was given this tree last fall 2024. I repotted it a few weeks ago when it got hot here but have not done any pruning at all. It is exactly how I received it. What do you think?
 

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It has an excellent base flare and nebari, I mounded the soil up a little bit when I repotted..
 

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Looks better from this side (img_9033). The 1st thing I would do is defoliate it and cut the long branches back some to get some back budding to make it more compact.
I usually do this around July 4 here in zone 6 after being outside (in a lightly shaded greenhouse) for a month or more and night temps are around 70 or more. That's also when I re-pot and wire. I have done it inside in March (under lots of lighting) but I get more compact growth outside (better light and humidity). You also may need to wire some branches since it looks like it's all in one direction, once the branches get too big they are really hard to bend. Those 2 small lower branches look like they are creating lumps on the trunk and you may want to remove them now before they get too big, but it's your call.
 
Looks better from this side (img_9033). The 1st thing I would do is defoliate it and cut the long branches back some to get some back budding to make it more compact.
I usually do this around July 4 here in zone 6 after being outside (in a lightly shaded greenhouse) for a month or more and night temps are around 70 or more. That's also when I re-pot and wire. I have done it inside in March (under lots of lighting) but I get more compact growth outside (better light and humidity). You also may need to wire some branches since it looks like it's all in one direction, once the branches get too big they are really hard to bend. Those 2 small lower branches look like they are creating lumps on the trunk and you may want to remove them now before they get too big, but it's your call.
You ever run into any issues with defoliating Brazilian raintree? Thanks for the advice. I agree on the lower branches, they definitely aren’t doing any good but I may use one for deadwood branch if I decide to go the pierneef route, that’s the only reason I haven’t removed them both.
 
You ever run into any issues with defoliating Brazilian raintree?
As I said I have done it in March since that time of year a lot of foliage has yellowed and fallen off (from lower light levels inside) and never had an issue with a healthy tree. New growth appears in a couple weeks, but better to do it in warm weather with better light outside to get shorter internodes and back budding. Just make sure to leave the petiole.. If you're worried about it just leave a leaf node or 2 on the branch and also when you cut back leave a 1/2 inch or so, not too close to a leave node, to allow for die back then you can cut the dead piece off later. It's time consuming cutting all those leaves on a big tree. I have 2 about 27 years old..(pots are about 24" wide) and a number of smaller ones, Love them. Never tried dead wood on one but I might just for fun. I'm always making new cuttings to play with.
 
As I said I have done it in March since that time of year a lot of foliage has yellowed and fallen off (from lower light levels inside) and never had an issue with a healthy tree. New growth appears in a couple weeks, but better to do it in warm weather with better light outside to get shorter internodes and back budding. Just make sure to leave the petiole.. If you're worried about it just leave a leaf node or 2 on the branch and also when you cut back leave a 1/2 inch or so, not too close to a leave node, to allow for die back then you can cut the dead piece off later. It's time consuming cutting all those leaves on a big tree. I have 2 about 27 years old..(pots are about 24" wide) and a number of smaller ones, Love them. Never tried dead wood on one but I might just for fun. I'm always making new cuttings to play with.
I appreciate your time and input. I actually removed those bottom branches last night, they were really too low to be of any use. When I go to Uganda I see lots of trees naturally pierneef and a lot of the time they will have an old branch low down on the tree that has long died off. That’s kind of what I was thinking with the deadwood branches I mentioned. I studied my tree a lot last night and thinned out a few branches that couldn’t be wired or would not be of use. The more I look at it the more I’m starting to think air layering one of the two main trunks to make a single trunk.. if I didn’t I would still have to cut the branches back significantly either way.
 
Here’s some examples of the deadwood branches I was thinking about but the ones on my tree were too low.
 

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