Collecting Deciduous Trees For Bonsai In Autumn/Fall

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"The roots of deciduous trees are very active in the late Summer and throughout the Autumn. Having spent the growing season photosynthesizing, a tree will have been involved in the heavy production of sugars through its leaves. As a result, the sugars (as starch) then need to be stored within the trunk and roots in preparation for leaf-fall and the cold winter months. To store as much of these life-giving sugars, the above-ground growth of deciduous trees will slow to a standstill in August leaving the tree to concentrate on the production of new roots.

Collecting deciduous trees during September through to the beginning of December takes advantage of this strong growth under the surface of the soil, at a time when temperatures are cooling and transpiration (loss of moisture) from the leaves is greatly reduced. The earliest start to this collecting season is dependent on your local climate. By September in the UK, night temperatures have dropped to the low double figures, typically the ground will no longer be dry and by October the first autumn colours will be seen on some trees. These are the signs that I can safely go and collect!

It is important when using this timing not to wait until the tree has become too dormant for fear (because the tree is still in leaf) of failure.

Although some deciduous species, and individual specimens, can be successfully collected throughout dormancy, these Autumn months will often yield the best results and survival rate. Having spent the past 3 years collecting Yew, Elm, Pyracantha, Field Maple Hawthorn, Birch, Beech, Blackthorn and Dogwood from early October onwards, along with my apprentice Sean Stop, we have been able to identify that there is a reduction in our success rate from early-December onwards (typically 4-6 weeks after leaf fall).

The fact that Sean and I have now collected a large number of trees from the same locality and use very similar methods to revive them in gardens just a mile apart, has allowed us to compare notes and draw conclusions as to the best times to collect and maintain aftercare. Our findings have then been followed in New Zealand by fellow enthusiast Samuel Brierley who has confirmed that Autumn collecting is as good as, if not better than, collecting in Spring as is traditional."

 
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This is very interesting.

Does anyone know if it is appropriate to chop a ground birch in winter and then collect it in spring (a few months later)?
Or would I need to chop it this winter and collect it in two years?
 
This is very interesting.

Does anyone know if it is appropriate to chop a ground birch in winter and then collect it in spring (a few months later)?
Or would I need to chop it this winter and collect it in two years?
Do not chop the trunk and leave it. That can mean death for the tree. Chop it when you collect it.
 
Do not chop the trunk and leave it. That can mean death for the tree. Chop it when you collect it.
Isn’t it too stressful for the tree to be transplanted and chopped at the same time?

I guess I shouldn’t repot it into a bonsai pot and chop it at the same time then?
 
Isn’t it too stressful for the tree to be transplanted and chopped at the same time?

I guess I shouldn’t repot it into a bonsai pot and chop it at the same time then?
No. It is LESS stressful. Without any roots, not chopping the tree at collection puts undo stress on non-existent roots, leading to issues. Reducing both at the same time means both have to regenerate without placing undo stress on the other--there is an intricate relationship between top growth and root growth.

Chopping and leaving a tree in place puts the tree at competitive disadvantage with other neighboring trees that will outgrow and overtop it as it tries to develop enough leaves and branching to catch up. Trees in the wild live in competition with each other. Taking away a resource like beign able to make enough food for itself leaves it at a severe disadvantage.

You can indeed chop and reduce the root mass enough to get it into a bonsai pot, BUT THIS GREATLY DEPENDS ON THE SPECIES you're taking such aggressive action with. Such treatment will kill a conifer. It could also kill older deciduous trees as well. Do a search on collecting American hornbeam and cedar elm. There are several and they talk about this very thing.
 
No. It is LESS stressful. Without any roots, not chopping the tree at collection puts undo stress on non-existent roots, leading to issues. Reducing both at the same time means both have to regenerate without placing undo stress on the other--there is an intricate relationship between top growth and root growth.

Chopping and leaving a tree in place puts the tree at competitive disadvantage with other neighboring trees that will outgrow and overtop it as it tries to develop enough leaves and branching to catch up. Trees in the wild live in competition with each other. Taking away a resource like beign able to make enough food for itself leaves it at a severe disadvantage.

You can indeed chop and reduce the root mass enough to get it into a bonsai pot, BUT THIS GREATLY DEPENDS ON THE SPECIES you're taking such aggressive action with. Such treatment will kill a conifer. It could also kill older deciduous trees as well. Do a search on collecting American hornbeam and cedar elm. There are several and they talk about this very thing.
Thank you very much, will have a read!
 
New article from: https://bonsai4me.com/collecting-de...6__zK6mDtDZv7yRo8x3p8L0W-Vqa4LRk1_db51YjeqM_k

"The roots of deciduous trees are very active in the late Summer and throughout the Autumn. Having spent the growing season photosynthesizing, a tree will have been involved in the heavy production of sugars through its leaves. As a result, the sugars (as starch) then need to be stored within the trunk and roots in preparation for leaf-fall and the cold winter months. To store as much of these life-giving sugars, the above-ground growth of deciduous trees will slow to a standstill in August leaving the tree to concentrate on the production of new roots.

Collecting deciduous trees during September through to the beginning of December takes advantage of this strong growth under the surface of the soil, at a time when temperatures are cooling and transpiration (loss of moisture) from the leaves is greatly reduced. The earliest start to this collecting season is dependent on your local climate. By September in the UK, night temperatures have dropped to the low double figures, typically the ground will no longer be dry and by October the first autumn colours will be seen on some trees. These are the signs that I can safely go and collect!

It is important when using this timing not to wait until the tree has become too dormant for fear (because the tree is still in leaf) of failure.

Although some deciduous species, and individual specimens, can be successfully collected throughout dormancy, these Autumn months will often yield the best results and survival rate. Having spent the past 3 years collecting Yew, Elm, Pyracantha, Field Maple Hawthorn, Birch, Beech, Blackthorn and Dogwood from early October onwards, along with my apprentice Sean Stop, we have been able to identify that there is a reduction in our success rate from early-December onwards (typically 4-6 weeks after leaf fall).

The fact that Sean and I have now collected a large number of trees from the same locality and use very similar methods to revive them in gardens just a mile apart, has allowed us to compare notes and draw conclusions as to the best times to collect and maintain aftercare. Our findings have then been followed in New Zealand by fellow enthusiast Samuel Brierley who has confirmed that Autumn collecting is as good as, if not better than, collecting in Spring as is traditional."

Interesting hmmm.. I’m so f@cking jealous of your hawthorns m8… I can’t find a cow chewed hawthorn or apple anywhere near me
 
I might try this out. So it sounds like the window is from when leaves first start changing color to about ~4 weeks after leaf drop.
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