Chat GPT experiment for my personal/regional species guide

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So I can never find a fantastic species guide for myself here in Southen Lousiana. I played around with chat gpt today and used the prompts to few outlines.

I used headlines:

watering​

temperature​

sun exposure​

fertilizing​

Pruning​

Defoliation​

Repotting​

propagation​

pests/disease​

wiring​


Then I used chat gpt and propmted "when do I fertilize my Japanese black pine bonsai in South Louisiana." I did that for each heading and this is what I came up with... pretty extensive but a good road map. What do you guys think of how AI did? I did it in 15min so please no judging on the formatting.

Here is link to google doc https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZqyCDL8URix0q7ignTtAubzufmlfkHftsBdZNRv4_oU/edit?usp=sharing
 
I'm in next to you in Ascension parish. We have some amazingly strong natives here. All of our elms, our swamp maple, Cypress, hackberry sweetgum, yaupon holly, are my favorites that come to mind. I have successfully located and collected all of them in my yard and surrounding areas. Even the invasives like Chinese privite, mimosa and honeysuckle are suitable for bonsai.
 
I'm in next to you in Ascension parish. We have some amazingly strong natives here. All of our elms, our swamp maple, Cypress, hackberry sweetgum, yaupon holly, are my favorites that come to mind. I have successfully located and collected all of them in my yard and surrounding areas. Even the invasives like Chinese privite, mimosa and honeysuckle are suitable for bonsai.
Very cool! I would like to get my hands on a sweetgum.
 
The problem is that ChatGPT won't tell you when it doesn't know something. It will just make stuff up. So you'll have to vet everything it comes up with anyways. I doubt it's much of a win.
I actually have been fact checking and it has been lining up with B4me, Bonsai Empire and Bonsai Marai. And then double check GNBS here in town... the Bald Cypress guide are right on point. Most of the things it makes up is generalities, like "always consider the specific needs and growth habits of your bonsai, and adjust your timing accordingly. If you're unsure, observing the tree's growth patterns and consulting with local bonsai enthusiasts can provide valuable insights tailored to your specific region." And its a win for me as it can give me exact seasonal change.
 
So I can never find a fantastic species guide for myself here in Southen Lousiana. I played around with chat gpt today and used the prompts to few outlines.

I used headlines:

watering​

temperature​

sun exposure​

fertilizing​

Pruning​

Defoliation​

Repotting​

propagation​

pests/disease​

wiring​


Then I used chat gpt and propmted "when do I fertilize my Japanese black pine bonsai in South Louisiana." I did that for each heading and this is what I came up with... pretty extensive but a good road map. What do you guys think of how AI did? I did it in 15min so please no judging on the formatting.

Here is link to google doc https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZqyCDL8URix0q7ignTtAubzufmlfkHftsBdZNRv4_oU/edit?usp=sharing
It doesn't appear that you have the permission set correctly on your google doc... access denied
 
Sorry the link does not work.

Here is snippet @johng :

Fertilizing​

For black pine bonsai in Southern Louisiana, the timing of fertilization follows the general guidelines for the growing season and dormancy. Here's a breakdown of when to fertilize your black pine bonsai in this region:

Early Spring (March to April):

Start fertilizing in early spring as the tree comes out of dormancy. Choose a balanced, slow-release fertilizer to provide essential nutrients during the initial growth phase. This period corresponds to the beginning of the active growing season in Southern Louisiana.

Late Spring to Early Summer (May to June):

Continue fertilizing through late spring to early summer. This is the active growing season for many plants in the region, including black pine bonsai. During this period, consider using a fertilizer with a higher nitrogen content to support healthy green growth.

Midsummer (July):

You can continue fertilizing into midsummer, but be cautious of excessive heat. During hot periods, growth may slow down, and using a balanced or slightly lower nitrogen fertilizer can be appropriate.

Fall (September to October):
As the growing season starts to wind down in the fall, gradually reduce the frequency and strength of fertilization. This signals to the tree that it's time to prepare for dormancy. Avoid using high-nitrogen fertilizers in the fall.

Winter (Dormant Season):

Generally, avoid fertilizing during the winter when the tree is dormant. Fertilizing during this time may encourage new growth that is susceptible to frost damage.
Tips for Fertilizing:

Bonsai-Specific Fertilizer: Choose a fertilizer specifically formulated for bonsai, which typically has a balanced ratio of nitrogen (N), phosphorus (P), and potassium (K) suitable for the needs of bonsai trees.

Slow-Release or Liquid Fertilizer: You can use slow-release granular fertilizer applied to the soil surface or liquid fertilizer mixed with water. Slow-release fertilizers provide a steady supply of nutrients, while liquid fertilizers offer a quicker uptake.

Follow Package Instructions: Always follow the instructions on the fertilizer package regarding application rates and frequency to prevent over-fertilization.

Monitor Tree Response: Pay attention to how your black pine bonsai responds to fertilization. If you notice any signs of stress, adjust your fertilization practices accordingly.

Remember that these are general guidelines, and the specific needs of your black pine bonsai may vary. Regular observation and adjustments based on the tree's health and growth are crucial for successful bonsai care.

Pruning​

Pruning your Japanese Black Pine bonsai in Southern Louisiana should be timed based on the growth patterns of the tree and the specific goals of your pruning. Here are some general guidelines for pruning Japanese Black Pine bonsai:

1. Candle Pruning:

The primary pruning technique for Japanese Black Pine bonsai is often referred to as "candle pruning." This involves removing or trimming the new shoots (candles) as they extend in late spring to early summer.

2. Late Spring to Early Summer (May to June):

The ideal time for candle pruning is typically in late spring to early summer when the candles have elongated but haven't fully extended. This is generally around May to June in Southern Louisiana. By pruning at this time, you can encourage back-budding and control the overall shape of the tree.

3. Fall (September to October):

Light pruning can be done in the fall if needed. This is a good time for refining the tree's shape and removing any unwanted growth. However, avoid heavy pruning during this period, as it may not allow sufficient time for the tree to recover before winter.

4. Winter (Dormant Season):

Structural pruning, including removing larger branches or addressing the overall shape of the tree, can be done during the winter when the tree is dormant. This is usually from late fall to early spring.

Tips for Pruning:

Candle Pruning Technique:

For candle pruning, pinch or cut the candles to the desired length. This encourages shorter needles and compact growth.

Clean and Sharp Tools:

Use clean and sharp pruning tools to avoid tearing or damaging the branches. This helps promote faster healing.

Monitor Tree Health:

Observe the health and vigor of your bonsai before and after pruning. If the tree is stressed or weak, it's advisable to postpone pruning until it's in better condition.

Consider the Tree's Age:

Younger trees generally tolerate more aggressive pruning, while older trees may require more conservative pruning to maintain their health.

Remember that the specific timing and approach to pruning may vary based on the individual characteristics of your Japanese Black Pine bonsai, so it's essential to observe and respond to the tree's specific needs. If you have specific questions or concerns, you might also consider seeking advice from local bonsai enthusiasts or professionals familiar with the climate in Southern Louisiana.


Defoliation​

Defoliating a Japanese Black Pine bonsai involves removing some or all of its leaves. This technique is commonly used for certain styling goals, such as reducing leaf size, promoting back-budding, and enhancing ramification. However, defoliating should be done with caution and consideration of the specific needs of the tree and the local climate.

In Southern Louisiana, where the climate is warm and humid, defoliating Japanese Black Pine bonsai can be approached with care. Here are some considerations:

1.Timing:

The ideal time for defoliating a Japanese Black Pine bonsai is typically late spring to early summer. This corresponds to the period when the tree is actively growing and can recover more quickly from the stress of defoliation.

2. Health of the Tree:

Before considering defoliation, assess the health and vigor of your bonsai. If the tree is stressed, weakened, or recovering from other procedures, it's advisable to postpone defoliation until the tree is in better condition.

3. Age and Strength of the Tree:

Younger, healthier trees can generally tolerate defoliation better than older or weaker trees. Consider the overall strength and age of your Japanese Black Pine before deciding to defoliate.

4. Purpose of Defoliation:

Clearly define the purpose of defoliating your bonsai. If it's for styling purposes, such as reducing leaf size or encouraging back-budding, proceed with a plan in mind. If defoliation is not necessary for achieving your goals, it might be best to avoid it.

5. Aftercare:

Provide proper aftercare following defoliation. This includes protecting the tree from intense sunlight, ensuring adequate watering, and avoiding additional stress factors.

6. Observe Local Climate:

In a warm and humid climate like Southern Louisiana, closely monitor weather conditions. High humidity can contribute to fungal issues, so it's important to maintain good air circulation and avoid prolonged periods of leaf wetness.

7. Experiment with Caution:

If you're considering defoliation for the first time, consider experimenting on a small section of the tree rather than defoliating the entire tree. This allows you to observe how the tree responds without exposing it to unnecessary risk.

Defoliating is an advanced technique and should be approached with a good understanding of your specific tree's needs and the local climate. If you have concerns or questions, consulting with experienced bonsai enthusiasts or professionals in your area can provide valuable insights tailored to the conditions in Southern Louisiana.
 
a few things jump out at me with just a cursory glance...you need to be careful

Here is the most glaring problem I found in the first 60 seconds...
Defoliating a Japanese Black Pine bonsai involves removing some or all of its leaves.
 
here are other recipes for disaster...
If you're considering defoliation for the first time, consider experimenting on a small section of the tree rather than defoliating the entire tree. Try defoliating one branch and see what happens!
Provide proper aftercare following defoliation. This includes protecting the tree from intense sunlight, ensuring adequate watering, and avoiding additional stress factors. You need to insure you don't over water during this time...

Although there is some good info there it will be next to impossible for someone without extensive experience to evaluate between the good and bad info...of course if you ask a question on Bnut you are likely to get the same mix of good and bad answers....
 
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it definitely failed when asked about defoliation. i thought it would go into needle pulling techniques, but i guess it wasn't looking at any Japanese text on the subject. i know I've read a hundred times over the years not to pull off all the needles 🤦‍♂️
 
While they claim it to be AI, so far what I see are web crawlers that search the internet for information on subjects and use statistics to stitch together answers that are most popular. None of those answers are based on scientific principles so AI tends to be wrong particularly when there is popular misinformation out there.

I experience the same thing in designing controls for chemical processes. Some of the fanciest controllers out there collect process data and create a model that matches the data then create a controller based on that model. I have seen controllers with model that was supposedly 99% accurate to fail spectacularly when the process gets into operating conditions outside the model. Meanwhile my controller that was designed based on engineering calculations and chemical reaction models, with only a predicted accuracy of 80%, sailed right through the never-before-operated regions with just a little feedback to correct the prediction error.
 
here are other recipes for disaster...
If you're considering defoliation for the first time, consider experimenting on a small section of the tree rather than defoliating the entire tree. Try defoliating one branch and see what happens!
Provide proper aftercare following defoliation. This includes protecting the tree from intense sunlight, ensuring adequate watering, and avoiding additional stress factors. You need to insure you don't over water during this time...

Although there is some good info there it will be next to impossible for someone without extensive experience to evaluate between the good and bad info...of course if you ask a question on Bnut you are likely to get the same mix of good and bad answers....
Lol! That’s why common sense always comes into play! But at least this was a fun experiment. It has helped me with at least seasonal change in my area.
 
it definitely failed when asked about defoliation. i thought it would go into needle pulling techniques, but i guess it wasn't looking at any Japanese text on the subject. i know I've read a hundred times over the years not to pull off all the needles 🤦‍♂️
Lol!
 
Lol! That’s why common sense always comes into play! But at least this was a fun experiment. It has helped me with at least seasonal change in my area.
Also, it’s smart enough to remind the user to check with your local experience people!
 
Also, it’s smart enough to remind the user to check with your local experience people!
it is not smart but just regurgitating info...right or wrong:)
 
Several people have said this but I work on software so I'll add my two cents. ChatGPT doesn't know anything. It has no knowledge, just a model of the statistically most likely next word. You got some OK information here because there is a lot of information about JBP it's one of the most common bonsai species out there. So it was able to regurgitate information from those posts.

But it still made mistakes where it wandered off course into care for other species.

This is a really big version of typing a headline then accepting the auto correct next word on your phone.
 
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