Cause of needle cast?

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Google has provided fairly vague causes of needle cast in black pines. Yes, it's a fungal infection. Is it airborne from the environment or is it a systemic problem from within the plant. I have just started with black pines and have a couple of decent pre-bonsai and 7 three-year-old seedlings. Most have a touch of needle cast. I sprayed a couple of times with copper fungicide, which was recommended by several people. Don't know if it helps, but I pulled all the badly infected needles and cut the bad tips off the rest. Looking for any helpful information.
 
Every JBP I've ever tried got Needlecast bad.
I was somewhat successful using Bonide Infuse liquid. But I don't like spraying chemicals, so I gave up on them.
Trying Mugos again.
Maybe I should try a Scots?
 
You can be proactive...Adair had me buy something to put in the pot so when candles extend...they are somewhat protected from it. I'm doing office work. It's in the greenhouse. Tag me later if I don't come back and update what it was. I got it from Amazon.
 
From what I've gathered, and forgive me it's been a while, the spores float in the air and hit an emerging needle, the fungal spores respond to cuticle wax and stick there. They then wait until they get some water on them, after which they build a piercing needle and inject themselves into a foliar palisade cell. The fungus then invades one cell, while numbing any immune responses by gene silencing; a biochemical process that can dampen a response by making use of how genes are activated and translated. Once it gets a dose of sugars from the plant, it can continue to spread to about a millimeter of its surroundings in all directions. It then grows a fruiting body at the site where it first penetrated the foliage, which in turn matures and spreads new spores.
To my knowledge, there are no intermediate hosts like juniper rusts require to spread - which is also why I believe it's perfectly safe to keep infected junipers: the spread back and forth is as likely as a new infection coming from the intermediate host, and in spores that's just a numbers game: 0.000001% of infection is ten times higher than 0.0000001% but it's still a slim chance. If the intermediate host is downwind, that chance decreases another million fold.

Anyhow, the way to combat needle cast can be done in two general ways and two not-so-proven-to-be-effective ways:
1. Active treatment on the foliage, building a shield to provide protection. Oils like neem do not work for this, as it's the hydrocarbons in the cuticle wax they mix with, and that's what triggers the germination in part. So copper sulphate, peroxide, fungicides (that can be mixed in oils! The fungicides make them toxic to the fungi). This kills the fungus before it can enter the plant. We do these treatments at needle emergence and expansion.
2. Systemic treatment of the plant. I do this with a healthy microbiome and one specific unidentified fungal culture that seems to protect my plants from getting it - it produces something in the soil, some kind of antibiotic. Other people might prefer systemic fungicides, but those in turn tend to ward off any protective fungi in the soil. This kills the fungus after it has entered the plant, we do this from before needle emergence until mid summer or continuously.
(3. Application of microbial cultures like trichoderma viride, tichoderma harzarium, bacterial cultures: these should work in theory by attacking the spores when they germinate, by using a similar missile-puncture-approach that the fungus itself uses to infect the plant. These however are still much being researched and developed, they're not commonly regarded as useful in this case. See the part about biochemical arms race below.).
(4. Bio-fortifyers like silicium, silicon, DE, sulfur. In theory, they should strengthen the cell walls and prevent penetration. In practice fungi have evolved alongside plants all over the world, growing in conditions where these minerals and nutrients are plentiful, and they are generally unaffected by the use of these fortifyers because otherwise those fungi wouldn't exist anymore. That is the rule of the biochemical arms race: If plants would have won, the fungi wouldn't exist anymore, or if the fungi would have won, the plant wouldn't exist anymore.)

Since pines can infect themselves, it can be useful to remove parts of the needle below the affected band and removing it from the area. The needle part that's left on the tree will show some browning but will otherwise function as it did before.
 
Google has provided fairly vague causes of needle cast in black pines. Yes, it's a fungal infection. Is it airborne from the environment or is it a systemic problem from within the plant. I have just started with black pines and have a couple of decent pre-bonsai and 7 three-year-old seedlings. Most have a touch of needle cast. I sprayed a couple of times with copper fungicide, which was recommended by several people. Don't know if it helps, but I pulled all the badly infected needles and cut the bad tips off the rest. Looking for any helpful information.

Yes it is airborne.
However you need to know that it infects the needles the year before it shows up so treating it after you see it is too late.
We need to treat preventatively, meaning periodic applications of fungicide monthly from May - October,
It is also best to rotate your fungicides, dont use just one.
Some of us treat with Bonide Infuse in the spring to get a start on it. Its granular and is taken up by the plants roots and spread through the living tissues of the plant.
Then we spray monthly after that as described above. Ive used copper based and Daconil for my trees in addition to the Bonide granular
 
You can be proactive...Adair had me buy something to put in the pot so when candles extend...they are somewhat protected from it. I'm doing office work. It's in the greenhouse. Tag me later if I don't come back and update what it was. I got it from Amazon.
Adair's thread on "neeflecast" is the gold-standard. Essentially, he treated with Daconil + Copper in rotation, with a granular dose of Thiophonate Methyl that he sourced in the Infuse Granular product. (Infuse Liquid is a different chemical.) Search his thread for the details, but that's my understanding of his process.
 
Adair's thread on "neeflecast" is the gold-standard. Essentially, he treated with Daconil + Copper in rotation, with a granular dose of Thiophonate Methyl that he sourced in the Infuse Granular product. (Infuse Liquid is a different chemical.) Search his thread for the details, but that's my understanding of his process.
This is what he had me buy...Screenshot_20250408_155713_Messenger.jpgScreenshot_20250408_155655_Messenger.jpg
 
A healthy root system is the best defense against needlecast. Repotted and recently collected trees are more at risk.
If your tree has needlecast, shelter it from rain (canopy etc), but it still needs air flow.
Remove infected needles. I've had success with copper fungicides. I'm currently trying a more eco-friendly alternative - bacillus subtilis as foliar spray. This is what they use in Eastern Europe for lots of things, including for needlecast. I think the theory is that the bacteria outcompetes the fungi on the needles.
 
That's what I'm talking about, Guys!! Much useful information. Cutting away affected needles may not help but will result in fewer spores hanging around. Rotating fungicides is duly noted. Thanks.
 
Moving to Michigan can help 🤷‍♂️.
In my yard in GA, where I my yard was mostly wooded with lots of loblolly and Virginia pines, needle cast was a constant maintenance headache. Now, I don't really bother with preventative treatment other than one application of Clearys granular when the candles start to elongate.
Seriously, the slightly less humid climate probably helped, and I suspect having my collection in a more open yard further removed from the woods (mostly hardwoods vs pine) is a huge plus. Fwiw, I'm still dealing with spider mites routinely.
 
Here are 2 mugos and a scots both with needlecast.
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Thread 'Stop Needlecast before it starts!' https://www.bonsainut.com/threads/stop-needlecast-before-it-starts.33078/

Heres his thread on it that @bwaynef mentioned
Dang, Paul! Oh no! You're shattering my dreams! Boo!
I was just thinking that Mugos grow well in the ground in my area.
I've never had a Scots, but they grow in some places near me, in large patches.
Maybe they all have Needlecast.

I hope you're doing well.
 
Dang, Paul! Oh no! You're shattering my dreams! Boo!
I was just thinking that Mugos grow well in the ground in my area.
I've never had a Scots, but they grow in some places near me, in large patches.
Maybe they all have Needlecast.

I hope you're doing well.
Thanx Mike.
If you're looking for a pine that's resistant to needlecast, JWP is a good option.
Though not immune, keyword is resistant.
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Here's another mugo, and they develop at a pace similar to JWP. Slow.
Have never had any other pines including red.
Have JBP, JWP, Mugo, Scots and Austrian.
Looking at the candles on all my pines, I'm a tad late applying systemic granules but not too late.
Rain tomorrow so today it is.
 
Is it airborne from the environment or is it a systemic problem from within the plan
Both

Read through the thread, link provided to Adairs thread on the subject.
It's contracted airborne wise. It remains systemically. Thus the 2 pronged approach to treating either or both preventatively or actively.
It's a horrible disease left untreated. Black goo encases the needle folicles and also injured cracked branches if any. Nasty stuff.
 
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