Bonsai baby sitting

Bonsaiguy_2012

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I live in Hawaii and have 5 bonsai that really need to have a true winter which we don't have. I'm looking for someone that would be willing to babysit a Japanese maple, and Ume bonsai during the winter I would hope this would be a yearly commitment. Please contact me bfcschultz@gmail.com if interested.
 
My mice would love some Japanese maple or ume!
They would be a rare delicacy up here.
 
A monkey, a toad, and a carrier pigeon walk into a bar........

Damn! I gotta get that drone off the ground for real!
There's money in this!

Have you contacted any local businesses with walk in coolers?
A beer cooler maybe?

If you are shipping 5 trees overseas, it's gotta be easier to throw the convenient store dude $500.

Sorce
 
I live on the East Coast and we have real winter here. Don't know if you're contemplating shipping them to the mainland. If you are there are a lot of considerations...

Don't know how big the trees are, but shipping them to the mainland every year is probably more hazardous to their health than finding a walk in fridge there. Shipping trees in autumn or early winter is a pretty dicey proposition, not to mention pretty damn expensive. The airline isn't going to care if their boxes sit out in 20 degree weather on the tarmac in Denver or someplace cold for hours. That's a problem-- coming from a tropical environment, your trees may not be completely prepared for that drastic drop in temperature.

Also, you could run up against state restrictions on species. California and Florida have some strict restrictions on plants coming into their jurisdictions. Before you ship anywhere, you should do some research on what can be shipped in, or your trees may wind up in a wood chipper.

California has restrictions on houseplants (which bonsai MIGHT qualify as)--One of the requirements is that the plants have been grown in sterile potting soil and haven't been grown outside. The plants have to be declared by the owner to border agents where they might be confiscated.
https://www.cdfa.ca.gov/plant/pe/transport_animals_plants.html
 
Amen....

You'd have to ship them out in late August.
And back in in July.

Or acclamation won't be long enough...

The mail guy will get to enjoy them more than you!

Sorce
 
Can you use a regular fridge? Maybe rig lights into one? Shipping sounds like a bad idea to me, seeing how some trees loose leaves here from changing altitude and temp. They bounce right back though. But you dont know where they are going or if there going to be cared for. Probably not...
 
Thanks I am looking for a local nursery that have a walk-in cooler that I could use they are not big so won't take up much room. Or maybe just as cheap to buy another refrigerator.
 
I'm at 4K' and still have the same problem. Acer palmatum need to be at or near freezing for at least 6 weeks to be happy and have less fungal problems. On the other hand, Acer buergerianum, trident maples, are the banyan of maples and do pretty well for me. In the ground and as bonsai. Along with ohi'a they are my main focus and fun to work with. But at lower elevations maples will always be problematic.
Here are a few in their winter quarters 2 years ago hiding from the sun. P1000819.JPG P1000820.JPG

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Sell those trees and get ones that do well in your location. I grow a few tropicals in a temperate climate (still downsizing that collection), but at least with those they just sit under lights inside when it gets too cold. Trying to trick a plant into winter dormancy is a much much bigger battle that isn't worth the time. Somebody on here was adamant about putting a maple in a fridge for winter and it died back all over with desiccated branches.

I don't want to be that guy, but somebody had to say it. I'm sorry. You've got a ton of available species that are great for bonsai.
 
Sell those trees and get ones that do well in your location. I grow a few tropicals in a temperate climate (still downsizing that collection), but at least with those they just sit under lights inside when it gets too cold. Trying to trick a plant into winter dormancy is a much much bigger battle that isn't worth the time. Somebody on here was adamant about putting a maple in a fridge for winter and it died back all over with desiccated branches.

I don't want to be that guy, but somebody had to say it. I'm sorry. You've got a ton of available species that are great for bonsai.

You just have to make sure the trees being vernalized in the refrigerator do not dry out (the soil), just like if they are being kept outside. Deciduous trees do not need any light when leafless. Allow the tree to have a full growing season outside, then simply place it in the refrigerator. I cut off all the leaves before doing so, but this is not necessary, as they will fall off after 3-6 weeks in the fridge and go dormant anyways. "Tricking" a tree into going dormant is as simple as setting it into the fridge after a growing season of appropriate length, and of course, watering it when necessary, like you would at any time.

Bonsaiguy_2012, if you want to grow a few maples, go for it (don't get rid of the ones you have) and find access to an adequately sized refrigeration unit. It is really not such a bizarre concept in practice as it must seem to a lot of people.

I think having a large collection of temperate trees in a tropical/warm subtropical climate would be a burden, but having a few is really no big deal, since refrigeration really does work. If one has deep pockets, a large walk in fridge could easily accommodate a very nice temperate deciduous bonsai collection. But then, I am a gardener (and amateur bonsai artist) who does not settle for just what will grow in my location without extensive care and artificial climate control. I grow palms that are too cold sensitive to survive an average winter in Miami and trees that would die after only a year without 4 months in the refrigerator. I enjoy the challenge and the variety.

Those trees under cover at 4,000 ft in the Hawaiian rainforest look great! I have seen other photos of thriving temperate deciduous tree species in higher altitude locations of Hawaii as well. Acer skutchii, a sub-species of sugar maple native to the mountainous areas of Mexico and Guatemala might be a good one to try. Also, I am now under the impression that the Taiwanese subspecies of trident maple should do well in areas with very few chill hours.
 
I agree Cadillactaste. Though I enjoy the challenge and am happy to give a fairly small number of temperate bonsai/potted trees special treatment, if a species is native to my local area, I will look to acquire one of the local ecotype. For example, I am looking for a sweetgum, and rather than buy one from Virginia, I will collect one from the woods here. No refrigeration required. The same goes for Acer rubrum, Prunus serotina, Carpinus caroliniana and Fagus grandiflora. The latter three tree species reach their southernmost distributions near the Orlando area, so I plan to go searching for a local American hornbeam and American Beech (already have the black cherry). Also, I plan to bring my PA collected American beech and plant it back in PA since I see little reason to have to give it a bunch of special treatment when a locally collected beech would do well on its own.
 
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Hawaii, huh? Don't they have Mountains there? With colder weather at their tops? You need a friend with an alpine micro-climate...
 
Does anybody live in the alpine/sub-alpine zone on the big island of Hawaii? I took a tour to the top of Mauna Kea in 2005, and based on my observations, I would think that any property above 8,000 Ft or so would have chilly enough temperatures for your trees. Maybe there is some secluded spot that a cold frame could be setup for your trees? I think the fridge idea would be easier and safer, especially if the trees would be left on their own without supervision for an extended period.

If it were me with 5 Japanese maple and Prunus mume in Hawaii (this is what I actually do and have done now for 11+ years here in Orlando), the care would be as follows:

1. Care for and train the trees in an appropriate outdoor location for 8-9 months.
2. Cut all the leaves off of each tree (cut leaves off near the center of the petiole), water thoroughly and set each tree in a refrigerator (refrigeration unit, walk-in, etc.) that will stay between 32F-40F for the duration. Note, never use a freezer!
3. Monitor the trees to get an idea of how often watering will be necessary to keep the soil from drying out. I water each tree roughly every two weeks while it is in the fridge.
4. After 3-4 months in the refrigerator, take the trees out and place them in their usual location outside. I usually put each tree in shade for a couple weeks to ease the transition, but I don't think it is strictly necessary.
5. Repot, prune, wire and carry out all other bonsai care/techniques throughout the year at similar times as those keeping deciduous bonsai in temperate zones.
6. Repeat annually.

I guarantee that your Japanaese maple and Ume will get enough chill hours to grow well if the above procedures are followed. The only guarantee I am asserting here is that the trees will achieve adequate dormancy. Many other factors are equally important to ensure healthy trees and the development of quality bonsai. The chill hours requirement is just one part of the equation.

Just do not let the trees dry out while in the fridge (or out on the bench!).
 
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