American elm branch problem

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IMG_0956.jpegIMG_0957.jpegIMG_0958.jpegMy elm has developed a problem with 3 branches they have started splitting and swelling. I’ll have to cut them off , probably in the spring but what is the cause and is there a way to stop it from happening again. This tree is a 2nd year air layer. Thanks for any help.
 
Looks like some sort of disease and you sure that's American elm?
I dug the parent plant up from a friend’s yard that used to be an exquisite garden , so no I’m really not sure, just assumed.
 
Looks like some sort of disease and you sure that's American elm?
I agree. That looks like a Chinese elm to me. A close-up of a leaf would help. I have a small-leafed American elm cultivar "Princeton" - but it still has the same leaf shape and asymmetrical base of a standard American elm.
 
IMG_0979.jpegIMG_0980.jpegIMG_0981.jpegIMG_0982.jpegI agree. That looks like a Chinese elm to me. A close-up of a leaf would help. I have a small-leafed American elm cultivar "Princeton" - but it still has the same leaf shape and asymmetrical base of a standard American elm.
Here are some pictures of leaves first 2 pictures are of this tree and last 2 pictures are from the parent tree I took the air layer two years ago.
 
Hard to tell but really does look like a Chinese elm or some other species - It could be American elm but to me it doesn't look right - you have American, winged, rock, Texas, slippery and September elms in your area take your pick 🤷‍♂️ Then if this was a planted garden you have many more to pick from.
 
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That appears to be a Chinese elm. It has a simple serrate edge (one tooth per serration) and a symmetrical leaf base.

American elms have double serrate leaves and an asymmetrical base:
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Eastern winged elms also have double serrate leaves, as do cedar (Texas) elms, and rock elms (Eastern winged elm leaf pic). The base of their leaves tends to be symmetrical - or only slightly asymmetrical. These species tend to be difficult to tell apart by their leaves - but if you compare the bark of cedar elms to eastern winged elms, they appear different (both have corky "wings" on their young growth). Rock elms have similar looking leaves without any corky wings on their bark.
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Slippery elms and September elms have multi-serrate leaves, and an asymmetrical base like American elms. Slippery elm:
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September elm:
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That appears to be a Chinese elm. It has a simple serrate edge (one tooth per serration) and a symmetrical leaf base.

American elms have double serrate leaves and an asymmetrical base:
View attachment 565234

Eastern winged elms also have double serrate leaves, as do cedar (Texas) elms, and rock elms (Eastern winged elm leaf pic):
View attachment 565236

Slippery elms and September elms have multi-serrate leaves, and an asymmetrical base like American elms. Slippery elm:
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September elm:
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Thank you very much this helps a lot! I have tons of elms around my timber. This will greatly help identify them.
 
Thank you very much this helps a lot! I have tons of elms around my timber. This will greatly help identify them.
Just remember that there is a degree of variability in all trees - and that even though American elms, in general, have two teeth per serration, doesn't mean that you won't find some serrations with only one, or some that appear to have three :)

I can't recall any of my Chinese elms showing more than one tooth per serration - but perhaps I haven't been looking close enough! LOL
 
(Sorry I messed up the reply)
Those last two photos of the parent plant look a lot like siberian elm.
 
I wouldn't be too quick to remove branches. I can't really tell from the pics, but this may be "corking" of the bark. Many elms do that, including winged elm, and cedar elm. I don't think what you have there is an American Elm, BTW. Corking bark can begin as a single ridged spot on a branch etc. (usually a younger or fast-growing branch). Other ridges appear and sometimes those areas can look "split"...
 
One aspect I have noticed on elm leaves is that if you rub them between your fingers, the top surface feels rough, like a fine sand paper. I am curious if this is generally true of all the various types of elm.

I have a tree I collected that I am having trouble identifying. Its bark looks like Amelanchier, but the leaves feel rough, unlike the Amelanchier specimens I have in the landscape.
 
One aspect I have noticed on elm leaves is that if you rub them between your fingers, the top surface feels rough, like a fine sand paper. I am curious if this is generally true of all the various types of elm.

I have a tree I collected that I am having trouble identifying. Its bark looks like Amelanchier, but the leaves feel rough, unlike the Amelanchier specimens I have in the landscape.
Not true for all elms. American elm typically has a smooth glossy upper surface however the similar looking slippery elm has a hairy rough surface. And to further confuse thenissue this can vary among different genetic strains. Some elms aren’t too difficult to tell apart but slippery and American elms can be a PITA. I have a slippery elm bonsai and it has driven me nuts trying to definitively distinguish it from the American elm in my neighbors front yard. At least I think is an American elm!
 
I really like asking questions here I learn a lot more than I expect to. You all are a wealth of knowledge. I for one really appreciate that!!
 
One aspect I have noticed on elm leaves is that if you rub them between your fingers, the top surface feels rough, like a fine sand paper. I am curious if this is generally true of all the various types of elm.

I have a tree I collected that I am having trouble identifying. Its bark looks like Amelanchier, but the leaves feel rough, unlike the Amelanchier specimens I have in the landscape.
Not true. Some elms have rough leaves, others not so much. The leaves on my cedar elms are like a cats tongue rough, while the leaves on my winged elm aren't.
 
That appears to be a Chinese elm. It has a simple serrate edge (one tooth per serration) and a symmetrical leaf base.

American elms have double serrate leaves and an asymmetrical base:
View attachment 565234

Eastern winged elms also have double serrate leaves, as do cedar (Texas) elms, and rock elms (Eastern winged elm leaf pic). The base of their leaves tends to be symmetrical - or only slightly asymmetrical. These species tend to be difficult to tell apart by their leaves - but if you compare the bark of cedar elms to eastern winged elms, they appear different (both have corky "wings" on their young growth). Rock elms have similar looking leaves without any corky wings on their bark.
View attachment 565236

Slippery elms and September elms have multi-serrate leaves, and an asymmetrical base like American elms. Slippery elm:
View attachment 565240

September elm:
View attachment 565242
Is there any difference on how well leaf size reduces?
 
Is there any difference on how well leaf size reduces?
True American elms can be quite large trees, with leaves to match. If you can find an old one, you might see leaves that are 6". However the newer cultivars the are being developed that are resistant to Dutch elm disease tend to be smaller... though not all are. My American elms are Princeton cultivar and their leaves are every bit as small as my Chinese elms.
 
True American elms can be quite large trees, with leaves to match. If you can find an old one, you might see leaves that are 6". However the newer cultivars the are being developed that are resistant to Dutch elm disease tend to be smaller... though not all are. My American elms are Princeton cultivar and their leaves are every bit as small as my Chinese elms.
I have quite a few with double serrated leaves and a few with many serrations, with leaves 3-4” long. Will they reduce or is it a shot in the dark for most of them.
 
I have quite a few with double serrated leaves and a few with many serrations, with leaves 3-4” long. Will they reduce or is it a shot in the dark for most of them.
I've had good luck with reduction. Not down to shohin zelkova size, but definitely down to the 1 inch range.
 
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