Alot of my trees fell ill overnight.

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Another giant problem

So either someone is poisoning my trees, which around here.... let's just say intelligence is close to zero

Or the rain we got yesterday had something in it and it poisoned my trees.

I did happen to put a little fertilizer on the boxwood and serissa yesterday, but the serissa I brought in the house before the rain has 0 difference in it
And the serissa that went through the rain is lookin bad...
The Trident only got water and so did the crepe myrtle

All This happened overnight.
Everything was 100% before I walked out today.
I watered my trees before it stormed real bad yesterday. ( I didn't know it was gonna rain)
Alot of my trees have real bad looking leaves now.

My trident maple has black spots over like 100% basically of the foliage, there might be 3 leaves that look normal and alot of the green stems have black spots covering them.... there's essentially more black spots than green kinda and lots of leaf burn marks
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My boxwood doesn't look nearly as bad and my crepe myrtle has the same thing going on with them..... the new leaves on the boxwood turned yellow and the older leaves have like white burn marks going through them

New growth has all turned yellow mostly ?
Then the white burn marks?20180427_150413.jpg20180427_150425.jpg
Same thing on the crepe myrtle....

Aside from a couple leaves here and there, I haven't found anything on surrounding shrubs and trees.

except...
I found the neighbors dead Japanese maple that died a cpl years back and it seems to have the same black spots going up and down its dead trunk ( kinda like my trident maple)
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The neighbors Livin japanese maple has like 5% foliage that looks like it was affected like my trees. But not the whole plant.
I did not see the tree yesterday, so I can't say it happened overnight for sure.

The boxwood only has a little bit of foliage bad right now, it seems it may pull through as long as it doesn't get worse

The Trident is covered in black spots???
Should I defoliate? 50% 100%
I'm sure someone knows what that is....

Please Help!!
 
SnowfallenGarden said:
Another giant problem

So either someone is poisoning my trees, which around here.... let's just say intelligence is close to zero

Or the rain we got yesterday had something in it and it poisoned my trees.

I did happen to put a little fertilizer on the boxwood and serissa yesterday, but the serissa I brought in the house before the rain has 0 difference in it
And the serissa that went through the rain is lookin bad...
The Trident only got water and so did the crepe myrtle

All This happened overnight.
Everything was 100% before I walked out today.
I watered my trees before it stormed real bad yesterday. ( I didn't know it was gonna rain)
Alot of my trees have real bad looking leaves now.

My trident maple has black spots over like 100% basically of the foliage, there might be 3 leaves that look normal and alot of the green stems have black spots covering them.... there's essentially more black spots than green kinda and lots of leaf burn marks
View attachment 189285View attachment 189286

My boxwood doesn't look nearly as bad and my crepe myrtle has the same thing going on with them..... the new leaves on the boxwood turned yellow and the older leaves have like white burn marks going through them

New growth has all turned yellow mostly ?
Then the white burn marks?View attachment 189290View attachment 189292
Same thing on the crepe myrtle....

Aside from a couple leaves here and there, I haven't found anything on surrounding shrubs and trees.

except...
I found the neighbors dead Japanese maple that died a cpl years back and it seems to have the same black spots going up and down its dead trunk ( kinda like my trident maple)
View attachment 189298
The neighbors Livin japanese maple has like 5% foliage that looks like it was affected like my trees. But not the whole plant.
I did not see the tree yesterday, so I can't say it happened overnight for sure.

The boxwood only has a little bit of foliage bad right now, it seems it may pull through as long as it doesn't get worse

The Trident is covered in black spots???
Should I defoliate? 50% 100%
I'm sure someone knows what that is....

Please Help!!
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Hi Snow,
Um, my 2 cents - either your potting media is too wet ( not draining enough) or your fertilizer was a fraction strong.
Either way I don’t think it is the end of the world. Your serissa not affected might explain why all others got too wet etc.
Would be interested asto what others have to say though.
Have you got a covered area so they can dry out a bit ? ( if I am correct of course)
Charles
 
The trident looks like something I had on my tridents several years ago. I took it to the nursery and asked what they thought and I was told "water mold". The short explanation was some fungus that infects leaves when it is wet and warm at night and causes the black spotting and a little minor leaf curl. They said it was mostly harmless and not to worry about it. Turns out they were right and everything was fine w the trees. Just made for an ugly year on most of the foliage. Hope your case is something equally innocuous.
 
I was thinking of making a covering for them just cause Even though rain is fun, I can handle watering my plants and I guess I should have been watching the forecast.

I thought That I had been letting my trident get decently dry, could go a little drier for the next few weeks, see how that works.

If more of the plant starts to die I guess I will update, otherwise I will let the plants get pretty dry before they are watered again.

The fert was kinda strong in my opinion, but on the bag it said mix like 1/2 pound fert per plant. under 3 foot....
I fed signifficantly less. maybe 1/4 lbs spread out among 13 plants

thinking about it, watering may be the issue.

will keep a close eye on them the next couple days and not water til they definitely need it.

also if it rains I will hide them in the back shed/ barn place

praying that its just something stupid...
 
SnowfallenGarden said:
I was thinking of making a covering for them just cause Even though rain is fun, I can handle watering my plants and I guess I should have been watching the forecast.

I thought That I had been letting my trident get decently dry, could go a little drier for the next few weeks, see how that works.

If more of the plant starts to die I guess I will update, otherwise I will let the plants get pretty dry before they are watered again.

The fert was kinda strong in my opinion, but on the bag it said mix like 1/2 pound fert per plant. under 3 foot....
I fed signifficantly less. maybe 1/4 lbs spread out among 13 plants

thinking about it, watering may be the issue.

will keep a close eye on them the next couple days and not water til they definitely need it.

also if it rains I will hide them in the back shed/ barn place

praying that its just something stupid...
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You're not the only person doing bonsai living in Georga, I believe that Adair Martin lives in Georgia and I have not heard any of the same type of stories from him. You have been doing bonsai for how many years? I am thinking that it is likely more an issue of the wierd weather and inexperience if the number of posts is indicitive of your experience. How that is manifested depends on what you have done or not done. If it were acid rain the effects would be more wide spread and not in just your garden. It may be an issue of not being able to keep your trees dormant long enough, they awoke and a late frost got them. Acid rain takes time, a late frost can and does happen over-night and the results are immediate.
 
What volume is 1/4 lb of fertilizer? And what was the npk?
 
I am thinking along the lines of @Vance Wood. Here anything that started to leaf out a couple of weeks ago is dropping the foliage and flora at a fast rate after a wet spell followed by cold nights, not frost but 35 - 40F. All larger plants, near impossible to prevent, just crap weather patterns. "SIGH" :(

Grimmy
 
There was a storm, can you exclude hail damage?
Since it's happening on all plants, which should all respond differently to both fertilizer and lots of rain.. That'd be my first guess.
 
SnowfallenGarden said:
I was thinking of making a covering for them just cause Even though rain is fun, I can handle watering my plants and I guess I should have been watching the forecast.

I thought That I had been letting my trident get decently dry, could go a little drier for the next few weeks, see how that works.

If more of the plant starts to die I guess I will update, otherwise I will let the plants get pretty dry before they are watered again.

The fert was kinda strong in my opinion, but on the bag it said mix like 1/2 pound fert per plant. under 3 foot....
I fed signifficantly less. maybe 1/4 lbs spread out among 13 plants

thinking about it, watering may be the issue.

will keep a close eye on them the next couple days and not water til they definitely need it.

also if it rains I will hide them in the back shed/ barn place

praying that its just something stupid...
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What brand of fertilizer are you talking about. 1/2 pound per plant seem enough to put it on the moon, burn up on reentry. Most of the stuff I use is measured in tbs per gallon of water.
M. Frary said:
That's about what I mix with 2 gallons of water.
Thick and blue.
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That's the point. A couple of gallons of water will fertilize the ubiquitous shit load of trees.
 
Vance Wood said:
You're not the only person doing bonsai living in Georga, I believe that Adair Martin lives in Georgia and I have not heard any of the same type of stories from him. You have been doing bonsai for how many years? I am thinking that it is likely more an issue of the wierd weather and inexperience if the number of posts is indicitive of your experience. How that is manifested depends on what you have done or not done. If it were acid rain the effects would be more wide spread and not in just your garden. It may be an issue of not being able to keep your trees dormant long enough, they awoke and a late frost got them. Acid rain takes time, a late frost can and does happen over-night and the results are immediate.
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Cusseta is pretty far from me. Far enough that I had no idea where it is, and had to look it up! It’s south of Columbus, Ga. very different than my climate.

Back in my youth, I used to travel around the State playing tennis tournaments. Columbus was one of my favorites because they had clay courts. I had a clay court game. My strategy was to make every point and game last as long as possible! My opponents were usually better players than myself, so if I tried to slug it out, or out finesse them, I’d lose. If I could drag it out so the heat and humidity ore them out a bit, that would dull their game. The balls would get heavy, and they couldn’t win points as easily. Plus, they would get bored hitting backhand after backhand after backhand... That tournament used to draw a good number of players from Alabama and Florida, too. I usually did pretty well, so the wins helped my ranking...

So... returning from memory lane, the point I trying to make is Cusseta is probably a pretty humid place. And conditions are perfect for fungal problems. (It’s soooo humid! How humid is it? It’s so humid that my tennis clothes would start to mildew by the second set! Lol!!!)

It’s impractical to protect trees from the rain. The best you can do to prevent fungal attacks is to use a very fast draining soil, try not to water the foliage when you water you trees, and spray a preventative antifungal treatment to minimize the spores that might be present just waiting for a good opportunity. A dose of systematic antifungal like Clearys 3336 probably wouldn’t hurt, either.
 
Adair M said:
Cusseta is pretty far from me. Far enough that I had no idea where it is, and had to look it up! It’s south of Columbus, Ga. very different than my climate.

Back in my youth, I used to travel around the State playing tennis tournaments. Columbus was one of my favorites because they had clay courts. I had a clay court game. My strategy was to make every point and game last as long as possible! My opponents were usually better players than myself, so if I tried to slug it out, or out finesse them, I’d lose. If I could drag it out so the heat and humidity ore them out a bit, that would dull their game. The balls would get heavy, and they couldn’t win points as easily. Plus, they would get bored hitting backhand after backhand after backhand... That tournament used to draw a good number of players from Alabama and Florida, too. I usually did pretty well, so the wins helped my ranking...

So... returning from memory lane, the point I trying to make is Cusseta is probably a pretty humid place. And conditions are perfect for fungal problems. (It’s soooo humid! How humid is it? It’s so humid that my tennis clothes would start to mildew by the second set! Lol!!!)

It’s impractical to protect trees from the rain. The best you can do to prevent fungal attacks is to use a very fast draining soil, try not to water the foliage when you water you trees, and spray a preventative antifungal treatment to minimize the spores that might be present just waiting for a good opportunity. A dose of systematic antifungal like Clearys 3336 probably wouldn’t hurt, either.
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This seems to make more sense than anything currently under discussion.
 
ok, Thanks for the comments fellas.

about my experience!
try to make a long story short. i havent had anything very amazing or beautiful yet.
I got into bonsai about 10 years ago, or more. I was a member from the forum Bonsai Talk for a Good 2 or 3 years. which got me interested and started into bonsai. I met the local bonsai society leader back then from off the site. I was young and I guess pretty bashful so I only made it to a handful of meetings.

when I started, I bought a little schefflera I managed to keep alive for about 6 years(grandma didnt water it). I had a little handful(maybe 5) juniper die on me over the years. I took cuttings from a schefflera and the couple other plants(i cant remember) I had gotten from my stint working at lawn and garden in Walmart. A couple years ago I had a serrissa That also died when I moved from Michian to Georgia that I left with Grandma and it lasted about a month.....

Back years ago when I started, I researched extensively about many different kinds of trees and used to be able to call out almost any tree I seen, with leaf/bark Identification.
After about 4 years, this awesome skill evaded me as I was only 20-22, working in factories I didnt have much time to have the amount of trees I had wanted. I always had a young tree to mess with over the years.

SOOO, Im 29 now, gonna be 30 here in june. and in Jan 2017 I was diagnosed with bone cancer and its eaten through my right arm and shoulder. They have to amputate here soon. Not the best 30th birthday present. I guess Ill be ok. I was kinda struggling a little with depresseion and that over the winter. thought I would get a puppy.
well I decided to just get back into bonsai and hopefully be able to apply wire with 1 hand as gently as I can. I dont have alot of use of my right hand right now so practically alot of the things ive done over the past year have been with my left hand. Im hoping I can still manage to do bonsai after the amputation.

In the end of winter/ early spring this year. I started picking up trees I could work on.
I havent had a good winter with a tree yet, for some reason during the winters I would either have a tropical, or had my trees inside.
I cannot do that with these.
So as for my experience, Im not gonna lie to you I can hardly remember anything I used to know but have been brushing the dust off and am pretty excited to get back to bonsai.
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BACK to the trees

Nothing new today, Thank god.

The Fertilizer
is Sunniland 8-4-8. not what I ordered, its half in spanish and isnt even close to the same strength I ordered. I ordered fertilome with pesticide additive in it.
I got this in the mail, the post office had to rebag it because the bag ripped open during shipment.
I complained to the seller on ebay and he gave me a refund. so they must not have fertilome. idk
So I decided to try it at least 1 time to see if I liked it.... I dont think I wanna try it again. I dont know. maybe its not safe or something.
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I however did not put this on all my trees and the small serissa i put some on had 0 change in condition. that is also the one I brought in the house before the rain. Along with my azalea thats about to bloom so the flower buds dont get knocked off. the azalea didnt get fertilizer.

The Trident maple which looked the worst with all the black spots. I thought I was taking pretty good care of it, I could let it get just a tad drier between waterings... but not too much. more dryness will be about 20% wetness to completely dry. the most I would want it to be dry completely is 1/4 of the day. maybe from 1 day to the next. then water in the AM

The boxwood I have had for only about a week now, they were just recovering from shipping. They hadnt quite been very dry tho.

I collected some serissa a little more than a week or so ago, maybe 2 weeks and they werent quite as recovered as Id like them to be. They look like they may make it tho.

the crepe myrtle have been out there for a while, they were fine and just started showing new growth. Im not sure if this is gonna slow them down or not. They may just blow right through this.

Theres a japanese maple out there that only had this happen on like 2 or 3 leaves. So as long as this doesnt get worse, then they should be ok. Theres 2 of them out there.

The wisteria had nothing happen to it. that was outside then.
 
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You can see in the pic I posted it says 1/4 pound for a small plant under 1 ft..... I was like He** no

I didnt follow instrunctions on bag.
 
The nature of this "happening overnight with a storm" makes me wonder if you didn't have some kind of blight pass through the area. Blight effects tomatoes mostly here in the Prairies, but can effect other plants such as potatoes... and, it always appears right after a storm passes through the area.

Having said that, I don't recall it being a huge problem with trees.
 
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