Adair and Cmeg1 and anyone else - Look Here - Like Zelkova

[Anthony]

I wanted Sifu and Cmeg1 to take a look at this for us.e

It grows naturally as a broom, and has zelkova / elm type leaves. Very high leaf density, good branching.
Will be 10 years old 2016.

Grows from cuttings and airlayers, and after I saw the Cmeg1 zelkova article, realised that it can handle, the same root type treatment.
This is a new to bonsai tree for us, have yet to see others on-line. Native.

Cholorophora t.
Hard wood, yellow [ dye ] and very dense of leaf / branchlets.
Drinks water, hence the deep pot.
In our Dry Season, self defoliates.

Only know of two somewhat mature trees. Seed is spread by something that flies. Seedlings show up everywhere. Never seen the mature seed.

Anyhow opinions, ideas anyone ?
Thanks in Advance.
Good Day
Anthony

12" tall

 

[Adair M]

Very attractive, Anthony!

I think your main challenge is going to be keeping the branches small. That is, thinner branches make the trunk look thicker. That first lower branch on the right is getting pretty heavy.

The time to really style the tree is when the leaves drop. That's when you can see the structure. Ideally, the branches should have taper.

But, yes, from what I can see this is a very good tree to use for broom style.

 

[jeremy_norbury]

Very attractive, Anthony!

I think your main challenge is going to be keeping the branches small. That is, thinner branches make the trunk look thicker. That first lower branch on the right is getting pretty heavy.

The time to really style the tree is when the leaves drop. That's when you can see the structure. Ideally, the branches should have taper.

But, yes, from what I can see this is a very good tree to use for broom style.

Caribbean and leaves drop - it might never happen...

 

[Anthony]

Sifu,

the tree reacts dramatically to elongation of branches, any length over 3' will give rapid thickening.
However, the trunk is not affected by the elongation - bizzarre Huh ??????

That was test no x by the way - effects of a runaway branch

Thanks for looking.
If you pass by later I should have a link for more images up for you.
Good Day
Anthony

 

[Anthony]

Hi Jeremy,

but - it self defoliates in our Dry Season ???
In fact many of our trees self defoliate in the Dry Season, only so many are evergreen.
Good Day
Anthony

 

[Anthony]

Adair [ Sifu ]

here is an earlier image, defoliated and an idea of what could happen.
However, since this is an experimental, it was decided to study the zelkova techniques and let the trunk develop naturally or through the use of the zelkova techniques, nothing is written in stone.
Good Day
Anthony

* We now have grown airlayers and cuttings of this tree to continue experimenting.

 

[Geo]

Great stuff, Anthony. You and your Flora are pretty impressive. Your vert is an eyeopener for me with this tree. More !

 

[Dav4]

Looks good. Time to chop that low branch back by 3 quarters, I'd say.

 

[Anthony]

Dav4,

glad to see we didn't end up as enemies - thank you.

Old image and already did what you suggested. Thanks.
Good Day
Anthony

George or Geo,

Just a little time, I am not on the island presently, and K has to aks a favour for photos.
Good Day
Anthony

 

[cmeg1]

Looks good,if there are that many wips growing around try layering at the base of the wip. Mine were layered in only 15 days .

 

[just.wing.it]

Looks good,if there are that many wips growing around try layering at the base of the wip. Mine were layered in only 15 days .

Wow 15 days!

 

[Jacos]

Dear Anthony,

Your tree is a fine tree, looks good as it is.....but if it where mine.....I do away with the first branch left and right and then try to repot in in a shallower pot.
See virtuals.

Hope you do not mind me messing around with your tree

Jacques

 

[Jacos]

Down side of course is: The big scare (maybe an uro?)

 

[Geo]

Thanks, Anthony. Thought you might have heard of this genus. Vallecia. The pics are from Apr or May,then July of this year: 4 years old from a collected seedling. Many "hedging s",with secondary branches developing lowish and,as of last week, guy wired. Now. Base :4cms. Apex 32cms.:This one is V.lancinata, a Baja endemic (and the leaves are very lanceolate (sp?)). But I think, V. glabra is very similar in habit and grows from S. Florida on down.It is an evergreen broad leaf. And it needs a great many haircuts.The rock is long gone. Sorry I can't show recent pics. The comp doesn't like the cam, or v/v.

 

[Geo]

Sorry for the mini-jack. BTW, you said you had pruned the right lower on your B.O.. But I bet you left some of it. Wrong guess? Sorry for the orientation- but wait! Maybe a semiiiii--- cascade. The trunk-rock shot is just to give an idea of the bark. That texture is developing as well. Girth has developed by a half inch from April to today.

 

[Anthony]

cmeg1

this tree grows easily from cuttings and airlayers, much like a ficus. So we took enough of each to keep the stock pure.
Thanks for the interest though,it is much appreciated.

Jacques,

I hope you don't mind, as I have copied your virtuals, for use with the other efforts.
Shallow pot is only possible for a temporary exhibition, as the tree consumes large quantities of water, perhaps better to fatten the trunk to justify a deeper pot visually.
Thank you very much for taking the time to respond.

George,

no problem. The plant looks familiar, similar to a shrub collected early this year, and just getting ready for testing.
Afraid you lost me, B.O ?

Do you have mimosa pudica or it's cousins. Might want to give that a try.

Good Day
Anthony

 

[Geo]

Black Olive.

 

[Adair M]

Yep. As I expected, the bottom right branch is just too big. It needs to be removed. Really spoils the image.

If it were lower? You could have used it as a twin trunk.

I see that you drew in some widening of the base. Which gives the tree a bit of taper. Here's the thing: a true "broom style" really doesn't have any taper until the place where all the branches emerge.

There are actually two styles of Broom Style. The one most people think of is the one with a straight trunk, with no branches, and no taper until about 1/3 the height of the tree, and then, suddenly, lots of small branches emerge in all directions forming the canopy. When seen with no leaves, it appears that the trunk stops and becomes just a mass of branches.

The other is the "single line" broom. This style may have some taper between the nebari and first branch, but the trunk continues up straight, with smaller branches coming off the trunk one at a time. When seen with no leaves, the main trunk line is clearly visible to the apex.

Your tree falls some where in between. That large branch is a fault under both styles described above, and needs to be removed. Your trunk is straight with little to no taper until the V formed by the branches about 1/2 way up. That's ok. You don't need taper in the trunk for that style. It is nice to have a spreading nebari.

 

[Geo]

I have Leucaena leucocephala seedlings. They close leaves at night like Mimosa and Tamarind. I let them grow in situ and then will chop back to an inch above ground to see what I get.Got that from K. BO was Black Olive. Sorry.

 

[Anthony]

Hello Guys,

sorry for the late reply, lost the the topic, doesn't show unless someone else responds on New Topics.

Sifu, we ran into a wall, when the trunk didn't thicken with the branch extension, just the branches got fatter.
If you look carefully, the wound at the centre is still there, next learning situation - encourage the healing.

Will see what else we have under the soil when the repot is done.

George,
black olive - okay - ha ha ha. I kept thinking body odour.
More responses later.
Good Day
Anthony

Sifu, the branch extension and second image 2014 Dec, maybe we should have stopped then.