2 tree ID's

[chewytabaca]

Hello everyone,

I just picked up a couple trees and have no idea what they are but want to get into the art. It is of course fall/winter so the leaves are changing and falling. Hope someone can help out so I can learn the needs. Thank you

 

[chewytabaca]

The one is possibly a japanese enkianthus, the other as it states possibly the nire keyaki

 

[ShimpakuBonsai]

Both trees are Ulmus parvifolia.

 

[Brian Van Fleet]

Both trees are Ulmus parvifolia.

The photos appear to be out of order. The one in the rectangular pot, labeled Nire is definitely Chinese elm.
The one in the round pot is something else, but the photos aren’t good enough for me to ID that one.

 

[Betula1]

Zelkova?

 

[Orion_metalhead]

Definitely Ulmus Parviflora for the one witg the green leaves.

 

[RoadManDenDron]

I believe Nire keyaki is a ulmus parviflora cultivar

 

[chewytabaca]

The photos appear to be out of order. The one in the rectangular pot, labeled Nire is definitely Chinese elm.
The one in the round pot is something else, but the photos aren’t good enough for me to ID that one.

Grabbed a couple more pictures

 

[nuttiest]

looks like spirea leaves

 

[Brian Van Fleet]

Nice fall colors against that jade colored pot!

 

[Shibui]

Down here, Nire Keyaki is also known as Hokkaido elm. Its a dwarf form of Chinese elm from the far north of Japan. Leaves are very small but branches are very brittle. I can't see those characteristics in either of the trees you've posted so either we have something wrong or your supplier has something wrong.
Agree with @nuttiest The latest photo does look remarkably like spirea (may bush) leaves.
Some scale in the photos might help rule some possibilities in or out as it's not possible to guess actual size from the photos.

 

[chewytabaca]

Down here, Nire Keyaki is also known as Hokkaido elm. Its a dwarf form of Chinese elm from the far north of Japan. Leaves are very small but branches are very brittle. I can't see those characteristics in either of the trees you've posted so either we have something wrong or your supplier has something wrong.
Agree with @nuttiest The latest photo does look remarkably like spirea (may bush) leaves.
Some scale in the photos might help rule some possibilities in or out as it's not possible to guess actual size from the photos.

I hope it's not a Hokkaido, I've been reading and they are really hard to keep alive. I picked them up at Joyful Honda in Narita. Not exactly a bonsai supplier.

I've attached some pictures with a tape measure

 

[Brian Van Fleet]

I hope it's not a Hokkaido, I've been reading and they are really hard to keep alive. I picked them up at Joyful Honda in Narita. Not exactly a bonsai supplier.

I've attached some pictures with a tape measure

Leaves that small, could be a Hokkaido or maybe a seiju. Not much wiring, but lots and lots of scissor work all growing season long.

 

[Orion_metalhead]

I miss my seiju. Would love to get another. Any elm is a good tree to learn on.

 

[Shibui]

Hokkaido leaves here are generally much smaller and shorter internodes so I would guess more likely Seiju or maybe another cultivar.
Hokkaido here is VERY brittle. Twigs and entire branches break off so easily that they are very rarely wired.

Report back on Spring growth habit because each cultivar seems to have distinct growth characteristics in the new shoots.

 

[chewytabaca]

Hokkaido leaves here are generally much smaller and shorter internodes so I would guess more likely Seiju or maybe another cultivar.
Hokkaido here is VERY brittle. Twigs and entire branches break off so easily that they are very rarely wired.

Report back on Spring growth habit because each cultivar seems to have distinct growth characteristics in the new shoots.

Will do, I will me bringing them in the house next month from the garage.
thanks for all the insight everyone