Greedy little fu**ers!!!

Amen! And it's impossible for your standard housewife to ever see the effects of the placebo.

People on the chicken forum call or a hoax too.

The physical effects they say it has, shouldn't be negated by water, yet there are those earthworms all in my DE.

Quite like Deisel, a by product of Gasoline which sells for more than gasoline, one of the easiest ways to make a profit, is to come up with a way to sell byproduct.

And so a hoax is born.

Sorce

I hear ya, I have plenty of critters in my 8822. No earthworms as of yet though. You got me thinking so I found the entry on Wikipedia and it has some good info:

Diatomite is of value as an insecticide, because of its abrasive and physico-sorptive properties.[17] The fine powder adsorbs lipids from the waxy outer layer of the exoskeletons of many species of insects; this layer acts as a barrier that resists the loss of water vapour from the insect's body. Damaging the layer increases the evaporation of water from their bodies, so that they dehydrate, often fatally.

Arthropods die as a result of the water pressure deficiency, based on Fick's law of diffusion. This also works against gastropods and is commonly employed in gardening to defeat slugs. However, since slugs inhabit humid environments, efficacy is very low. Diatomaceous earth is sometimes mixed with an attractant or other additives to increase its effectiveness.

The shape of the diatoms contained in a deposit has not been proven to affect their functionality when it comes to the adsorption of lipids; however, certain applications, such as that for slugs and snails, do work best when a particular shaped diatom is used, suggesting that lipid adsorption is not the whole story. For example, in the case of slugs and snails large, spiny diatoms work best to lacerate the epithelium of the mollusk. Diatom shells will work to some degree on the vast majority of animals that undergo ecdysis in shedding cuticle, such as arthropods or nematodes. It also may have other effects on lophotrochozoans, such as mollusks or annelids.

Medical-grade diatomite has been studied for its efficacy as a deworming agent in cattle; in both studies cited the groups being treated with diatomaceous earth did not fare any better than control groups.[18][19] It is commonly used in lieu of boric acid, and can be used to help control and possibly eliminate bed bug, house dust mite, cockroach, ant and flea infestations.[20]

Diatomaceous earth is widely applied for insect control in grain storage.[21]

In order to be effective as an insecticide, diatomaceous earth must be uncalcinated (i.e., it must not be heat-treated prior to application)[22] and have a mean particle size below about 12 μm (i.e., food grade – see below).

So it sounds like it only works when its totally dry, and how often does our 8822 get totally dry when potted up? Probably never. Also, I don't think most of us use the uncalcinated DE. Finally--and this is a long shot--maybe the bugs can withstand the damage incurred so long as they stay in the moist pot, where they wont dehydrate? That would track with it not being an effective deworming agent - in the moist environment of the gut, the worms are never at risk of dessication.

I'm not the biggest hippie-dippie granola guy but if there's a non-toxic, inexpensive alternative that WORKS--I'm all over it. And that goes for life in general.
 
I'm not the biggest hippie-dippie granola guy but if there's a non-toxic, inexpensive alternative that WORKS--I'm all over it. And that goes for life in general.
Amen. I'm soooo proud of myself, as i've never been this way...and never been happier. Once you see the other side, you just don't want to go back again...it's like being reborn 😂
 
This stuff might not be toxic in the classical sense but if you inhale it it's really bad for you. It irritates your lungs and that can cause lung cancer (that's true for many types of powdered rock).
 
The "mode of action" for diatomaceous earth is as stated, mechanical, as an abrasive and as an irritant. As such, when used as a pesticide it is only really effective for "soft" phases of insects. Lepidopterans (butterfly and moths & their caterpillars) and Molluscs would be much more susceptible to DE than Dipterans (flies) and Beetles.

Having worked in the chemical industry for 40 years, I tend to reach for the synthetics as my natural first choice, but I ended up part owner of an organic blueberry farm, which has tempered by impulses for going for the synthetic chemistry.

Actually some really novel, and very effective "approved for organic use" products are being created now by some of the old line chemical companies. BASF for one now has a whole series of OMRI approved pesticides for the organic growers. And they are really "natural products" as in they are produced by natural organisms or fermentation products from natural organisms.

Pyrethrins, Avermectins, Spinosaids, BT products are all made from bacteria and fungi found in nature, or in the case of Pyrethrins, found in a daisy.
 
Not being synthetic doesn't mean that they are less harmful as you surely know.
 
Yeah there's a natural treatment for the vast majority of illnesses, pests and deceases. We just moved away from that at some point. If we stayed the course, we would've had a system now that treats the cause of said illness, pest and desease. All we have now is a system (created by big pharma and the cides industry) that treats symptoms. So far the plan is working great for them...treat the symptom as that assures the repeat business. Best way to make money.
But they're running out of time, as the people are catching on to that...!!!
 
Best way to make money.
in comes phase two.. Link pesticides and herbicides to patented seed. FOrce people to buy patented seed to stop pests from occurring.
Then go and ban the trading of seeds, as it infringes on your patented seed DNA which mixes in into the original varieties (Even though trialling GM crops was only allowed after pledging that the DNA could not jump varieties).

That is where that ball stopped in the EU, some 7 years ago I think.

Messed up world, run by a few big horrible companies.
 
Not being synthetic doesn't mean that they are less harmful as you surely know.

Yes, important point to make. Most people don't think that organic produce is grown with pesticides, sometimes even the same ones use on their conventional counterparts! I am not saying that DE is not harmful, far from it, just that it is chemically inert and doesnt penetrate the plant or soil.

Proper use of insecticide can be safe, too. Just take the necessary precautions whatever you choose to use
 
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