Alternatives to Kaneshin watering cans?

I just recently purchased the Hawes. It came with two separate ends, both split immediately as I put them on. I sent it back and they sent me another one, same exact thing happened. I ended up just getting my money back. I did have the plastic variety, not the metal one though.
 
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Get the thousand hole one! Its like a soft gentle rainstorm in the tropics. It delivers a deluge of water so gently your pot will still have dust on it when you get done.
 
Im glad you made this thread because I have been looking too. I hand water from a rain barrel inbetween using city water so I have been on the lookout for a new can. I looked at haws, but was having trouble finding the ones I want available. I really want Kaneshin and dont mind spending the money, but wanted to exhaust all options before pulling the trigger
 
Here’s a 4 liter copper Masakuni from j-bonsai.com for ¥16,500, or $151 (I think they have a 5 L as well) I love mine. Watering with it is a very pleasant experience. I have a 5 liter Hawes, as well, and I like it, but the performance of the rose just can’t be compared. I’ve had mine for a few years and have put some minor dents in it from rough handling, but it seems like it will last forever.
 
They are pricey but the Kaneshin should last forever. I like that you can buy replacement screens and rosettes. They do fill a lot faster if you can dip them in the pond or a big pot.
Not my experience. The joints on mine cracked after a few years of sporadic use. I kept it indoors too. This is more of a "trophy" kind of thing. I don't know of any professional bonsaiist that actually uses one.
 
I've had a SS one for 35 years, don't know the brand but looks like the Kaneshin pic.

Used for fertilizing, I just carry a 5 gallon bucket of fert around and dip to fill when empty, and for spot watering when only a few things need water.

Only been in a few professional yards here in the PNW and they had them, and used them.
 
Not my experience. The joints on mine cracked after a few years of sporadic use. I kept it indoors too. This is more of a "trophy" kind of thing. I don't know of any professional bonsaiist that actually uses one.
I found them because they are used at the bonsai nursery/museum/store/workshop where I take classes. THey have 3 of them around and they used them when repotting, for watering weak plants and when individual plants are dry. I know these have been around forwever there too.

So.. No other real alternative? The British or the Japanese?
 
I was on the same boat as you, i got some Haws plastic ones and they became useless pretty quickly.
So i decided to invest a bit in better rain water collecting system, im waiting for big 500L container for collection and have it connected to another 200L water butt closer to bonsai area, i also got a 12v pump that is powered from solar panel system, it will be used with dramm wand.
I checked all parts separately - i mean the pump with the small water butt and results were great, much better than watering can.
The way it will be connected it will give me an option to use small butt or the big one that is close to the house, that way i can mix some fertilizer in 200L but and use it when needed.
Maybe system seems to be a bit expensive first, but in long run it will pay for itself, you can always connect more systems(automatic watering)and other to solar panel system.
Im happy so far even i havent used it properly with big container - i have a feeling that pump might not be needed, water pressure with 500l will be huge.
 
I was on the same boat as you, i got some Haws plastic ones and they became useless pretty quickly.
So i decided to invest a bit in better rain water collecting system, im waiting for big 500L container for collection and have it connected to another 200L water butt closer to bonsai area, i also got a 12v pump that is powered from solar panel system, it will be used with dramm wand.
I checked all parts separately - i mean the pump with the small water butt and results were great, much better than watering can.
The way it will be connected it will give me an option to use small butt or the big one that is close to the house, that way i can mix some fertilizer in 200L but and use it when needed.
Maybe system seems to be a bit expensive first, but in long run it will pay for itself, you can always connect more systems(automatic watering)and other to solar panel system.
Im happy so far even i havent used it properly with big container - i have a feeling that pump might not be needed, water pressure with 500l will be huge.
Hm.. I ordered 2 small water butts, just 500litres each. Delivery time was 4 weeks. Now waiting 5. They told me to expect an other 2 weeks. :(
I also wanted to go for a larger setyp, was contemplating 3 or so 1K litre containers, but I cannot really place them on my property. These are UGLY.

A pump in a small butt like the ones I am getting is a bit of overkill for me I think. I am not planning on watering all the trees from the Butt. The volume is just not there for 100+ trees. It mainly is to have alternatives when scale builds up on sensitive species, accents, seedlings, cuttings etc.
 

Thank you ;)

Here’s a 4 liter copper Masakuni from j-bonsai.com for ¥16,500, or $151 (I think they have a 5 L as well) I love mine. Watering with it is a very pleasant experience. I have a 5 liter Hawes, as well, and I like it, but the performance of the rose just can’t be compared. I’ve had mine for a few years and have put some minor dents in it from rough handling, but it seems like it will last forever.

Many thanks to you both😁. Exactly the thing searched for without success. Oh happy day🥰! 4 Liters perfect size! Price somewhat high for poor folks but worth it for personal much loved trees. Only thing wrong is awkward handle for watering near shoulder height. Curious that Copper one is cheaper than stainless:confused:? Thank you, Thank You.
 
Hm.. I ordered 2 small water butts, just 500litres each. Delivery time was 4 weeks. Now waiting 5. They told me to expect an other 2 weeks. :(
I also wanted to go for a larger setyp, was contemplating 3 or so 1K litre containers, but I cannot really place them on my property. These are UGLY.

A pump in a small butt like the ones I am getting is a bit of overkill for me I think. I am not planning on watering all the trees from the Butt. The volume is just not there for 100+ trees. It mainly is to have alternatives when scale builds up on sensitive species, accents, seedlings, cuttings etc.

Yea it took me a while to find 500l small diameter one, i had to have it in 0.6m wide not more, im only waiting 2 weeks now, order them from ebay, where did you get yours?
mine is like this one, 1k L would be nice but my backgarden is too small for it

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i have a feeling that pump might not be needed, water pressure with 500l will be huge.
Water pressure depends on head - height above- rather than size of container. Unless your 500l tank is much higher than the outlet pressure will not be different?
 
It will be around 1 m higher than small butt, should be enough, if not i have a pump to do the job :)
 
My gravity fed water is stored in a 25000 litre tank on top of the hill about 6 metres above the nursery. The 80m pipe between tank and tap loses some pressure but not very much as it is 50mm diam. Gives just enough to use a hose but not enough to get effective jets from micro sprays. Also not enough pressure to operate the dramm water breaker properly. I have had to add a pressure pump for the irrigation.
Most water equipment is designed to run at around 200kpa that's equivalent to 20m head. I suspect that 1m head will just give a trickle but see how it goes. Might be enough to fill a watering can.
 
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Get the thousand hole one! Its like a soft gentle rainstorm in the tropics. It delivers a deluge of water so gently your pot will still have dust on it when you get done.

This is all well and good but water pressure matters... I got 2 of the popular hose heads, used in videos and very popular but my water pressure was too crap and that exact rose head, the 1000 hole thing came out like a big water drip..!
 
This is all well and good but water pressure matters... I got 2 of the popular hose heads, used in videos and very popular but my water pressure was too crap and that exact rose head, the 1000 hole thing came out like a big water drip..!
Exactly the results I get with my gravity water supply. Pressure needs to be up around 200 kpa for these to work well. For lower pressure supply try less holes heads. Something that would blast the soil out of a pot on mains pressure provides a great gentle shower on lower pressure.
 
I suppose that I missed the answer I may wish I had seen but, it gets to be a drag to read through a bunch of posts debating a question about the alternitives to the ubiquitious garden hose. Ever notice that most of the professional bonsai nurseries in Japan use garden hoses. If you want to kill yourselves slaving all day to water a hundred trees or so use the watering can, good for you. But if you are more serious about designing bonsai and not watering them then use a garden hose. Spend the time saved in doing bonsai design, not just wishing about it while carrying water back and forth to your trees. Just my opinion; that and a $1.50 will get you a cup of coffee.
 
But if you are more serious about designing bonsai and not watering them then use a garden hose. Spend the time saved in doing bonsai design, not just wishing about it while carrying water back and forth to your trees.
And then again.. If you have to start watering with acidified water because all your trees get chlorosis at the end of the summer due to calcium rich bore water there just might be some reason for watering specific plants from rainbarrels.
 
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